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**محب المصطفى** · 3 ديس, 2007, 05:04 م

لا تقلق أخي الحبيب سيراسلك بإذن الله من هو قادر على الحوار معه

وسيطلب منك بياناته على الخاص وليس العام

شكرا جزيلا لتفهمك ..

**م. عمـرو المصري** · 4 ديس, 2007, 07:24 ص

أخي الكريم .. لا أدري هل يوجد معنا الآن من هو متفرغ ليرد على رسائل هذا المُنصر أم لا .. لو أن أحد الأحبة - د. حبيب أو الأخ دكستر وغيرهم - متواجد فلن يتأخر ولكن الله المُستعان ..

عمومًا أخي الحبيب أرى أن تضع الرسالة التي يُرسلها لك في قسم الدعوة بالإنجليزية لعل هناك من يرُد أو يُترجم ردًا لا يوجد بالإنجليزية سريعًا ومن ثّم ترسله إليه .. بحيث يكون الرد في صيغة حوار موّجه إلى هذا المُنصر ويكون على الإيميل الخاص بك أو بأحد أصدقائك أخي الكريم

تحياتي ..

**اليرموك** · 4 ديس, 2007, 11:39 ص

أخى أطلعنى على الشبهات وعلى البريد الإكترونى الخاص به
فلغتى الإنجليزية جيدة كتابة وقراءة ونطقا و انا سريع الى حد ما فى الكتابة على الكى بورد باللغة الإنجليزية ....

عسى الله أن يمكننى منه , والله على كل شىء قدير ...................

**abanna** · 5 ديس, 2007, 03:49 م

مشكور يا شباب على اهتمامكم بي و برسالتي و ارفق لكم بعض ما يقوله هذا الكذاب الاشر المنصر حتى تتاكدوا من كلامي و انني لا اهول الامر:

think of this word . you may understand why the word became flesh.
Dear AHmed where are your friends in USa i will contact them .
I alos challange Dr Zakir Naik for several time and also met Yousef Este in24th september 2001.in in USA .
but they both did not response
.
Ahmed Deedat now he died inSaudi Arabia ,was by faith Ahmedi But to critising the Christianity muslims made him their hero .he colsed his centers in London in after debating with Anis Sharoosh in 1986 .
don't say the colour of the Crow is not black but white..
I wrote you the Offices of The Jesus Christ In Gospel of John chapter 3:16-18. For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life .17.For God did not send his son in to the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him18.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned ,but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and one son..
Who is son , Jesus Christ is the OnlY Son of God why?
. Because Roman 1:2-4.,The Gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Spriptures regarding his Son,Who as to his human nature was a descedant ofDavid and who through the Spirit of Holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God
by his resurrection from dead

هذا رده على رساله ارسلها له صديقي بخصوص مناظره مع احد العلماء المسلمين و كان هذا هو رده على صديقي.

و اليكم رد اخر له للقسيس فالاك روبسون الكاذب:

My Friend you are totally wrong convince me what you believe my claim is that you believe the Arab rituals.
Compare the teachings and Character of Jesus Christ .
His mighty mightyness is also mentioned in your Quran . He is not fight he did not do wrong andhe gave his life on cross and he raised from dead on thide day and now with God and has to come again as the last prophet,King and Judge, Acts Chapter 1:3 After His suffering ,he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive he appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.4 On one occasion ,while he was eating with them ,he gave them this command" Do not leave Jerusalem but wait for the gift my Father primed which you have heard me speak about For John baptized you with water ,but in few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit .verse 10They were Looking intently up in to the sky as he was going .when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them .11, Men of Galilee ;" They said :
why so you stand here looking in to the sky ? The same Jesus ,who has been taken from you in to heaven ,will come back in the same way you have seen him to go into heaven.
this is the second coming of Jesus Christ .
Your problem is ,that you only understand the prophets who were just men born by an ordinary system like me and you . but you do not understand the Meticulous birth of Jesus Christ and why it happened ,
2- the People Jesus Chose called the Disciples of Jesus Christ , were also Apostles ,Rusals,and they were also got direct calls from God through the Angels ,the Inspiration (Va hi)/to be convinced and testify that Jesus is the only one who raised and alive .so they preached this Gospel in to the word.
3-\Just think we do not force or kill any one for the sake of the God . if any one left his faith on Jesus we only pray for him or her, but not like you to give Fatwa , that now is worth y for death.
This is the difference.
Hope you understand .

الموضوع يحتاج فعلا علماء للرد عليه و لو كان هذا القس يتكلم العربيه لاستطعنا ردعه و الرد عليه بقوة و لكن المشكله فى اللغه الانجليزيه فانا و اصدقائي لا نستطيع الحوار فى الاديان باللغه الانجليزيه.

**abanna** · 11 ديس, 2007, 02:37 م

يا جماعة الخير نريد من تصدا لهذا الكلب الذي يرسل للناس شبهات باللغه الانجليزيه ما انزل الله بها من سلطان:

هل يوجد من يستطيع الرد على شبهات هذا الرجل باللغه الانجليزيه:
هذه شبهات اخرى يرسلها لكثير من الناس الاوروبيين و هناك من كان يريد التعرف اكثر على الاسلام و لكن رسائل هذا الكلب عطلت الناس و اوقفت الكثيرين عن التفكير فى الاسلام نريد من يرد عليه و يفحمه.

هذا مثال على كلام هذا القسيس:

What is Islam? means submist to allah for fighting.the word came from slim . just submission.

the worshipper of black stone . the worshippers of direction , the worshipper of allah the moon god . the worshipper of arabs rituals .this is islam the user of the sword , converting people by force .introducing the polygamy .is islam .
read sura 53:18-20 lar minad etc

ارجو المساعده

**محب المصطفى** · 11 ديس, 2007, 03:17 م

أنا آسف بس الموضوع خارج استطاعتي أخي الحبيب

لكن اعدت التنبيه للمشرفين في الاشراف

**م. عمـرو المصري** · 11 ديس, 2007, 04:35 م

What is Islam? means submist to allah for fighting.the word came from slim . just submission.

You don't even know how to write in English, Then what about the Arabic language you are writing about?!

The first misunderstanding is so clear here about the root of the word Islam. Hey that's the first lesson! Try to learn!

Islam is a word driven from the root (s l m), which is the root of the word "salam" which means Peace, and also the root of the word (esteslam) that means submission. Then we can define Islam the true religion of Allah Almighty as submission and obedience to commands and prohibitions of Him!

Who called us Muslims?

The answer is in the Quran the true word of Allah in sura 22:78, (...He -Abraham - hath named you Muslims of old time and in this (Scripture)…)

And Islam is the only accepted religion, thus Allah said in sura 3:85

(If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost)

Then now you must have learned that Islam is not driven from the root (sa la ma) the root of salam (peace) and esteslam (submission) Mr Fool!!!

the worshipper of black stone . the worshippers of direction , the worshipper of allah the moon god . the worshipper of arabs rituals .this is islam the user of the sword , converting people by force .introducing the polygamy .is islam .
read sura 53:18-20 lar minad etc

Muslims worship only Almighty Allah, the black stone is a stone does neither harm nor benefit. Actually Omar (the second caliph) said: "I know that you are a stone, can NOT harm or benefit, and If only I've seen the Messenger of Allah kissing you, I would never do!" Bukhari and Muslim, narrated by Abis bin Rabee'a and Abdullah bin Sargius respectively.

Then Omar kissed the black stone and he knew that it's only a stone, can't harm or benefit. So how dare you to say that we worship a stone?!!

A bout the direction, I know many churches praying toward the East dear!!

We Muslims obey the commands of Allah, and Allah said: "Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do." (sura 2:144)

For the claim of Moon god, if you can prove it then do!! But don't forget that Allah Almighty said in sura 41:37 "Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Do not prostrate to the sun and the moon, but prostrate to Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve."

For Arab rituals, The origins of this rituals go back to the time of Abraham and Ishmael, until the time of one called Amr bin Lohay who converted the pure rituals into pagan ones, then the prophet of Allah Mohammed pbuh reformed them again to the original rituals commanded by Allah to him. And read to know, Muhammed pbuh said "The First to change the religion of Abraham was Amr bin Lohay bin Qom'a bin khondof abo khoza'a" narrated by Abu Huraira & Ibn Abbas.

For using the sword, read what Allah said in sura 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower." And in sura 60:8 " Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. 9 Allah forbiddeth you only those who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out, that ye make friends of them. Whosoever maketh friends of them - (All) such are wrong-doers. "

And for your lovely Jehovah read

Jer 48:10 "Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood."

Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Num 31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

To Be Continued ...

قد لا أستطيع إكمال الرد لضيق الوقت فلو لم أكمل فليكمل أحد الأخوة ممن لهم الإستطاعة

لو رأى احد المُشرفين الأعلم مني بالإنجليزية ما يستطيعون إضافته لما قد رددت به فليفع دون إذن مُسبق وليعدل على مُشاركتي ..

**محب المصطفى** · 11 ديس, 2007, 04:58 م

يا ليتني استطيع حتى ارسال تحدي مفتوح له على البال توك وتوجيهة لغرفة وسام ليكون عبرة بصراحة

ولكن الحمد لله على كل حال

وجود رد أفضل من أي شيء حاليا

**Alaa El-Din** · 11 ديس, 2007, 05:27 م

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة abanna

يا جماعة الخير نريد من تصدا لهذا الكلب الذي يرسل للناس شبهات باللغه الانجليزيه ما انزل الله بها من سلطان:

أرجو أن ترسل لي بريده الألكتروني و الجروبات البريدية التي يراسلها على الخاص لو تكرمت ...

**م. عمـرو المصري** · 11 ديس, 2007, 05:52 م

think of this word . you may understand why the word became flesh.Dear AHmed where are your friends in USa i will contact them .I alos challange Dr Zakir Naik for several time and also met Yousef Este in24th september 2001.in in USA .but they both did not response.Ahmed Deedat now he died inSaudi Arabia ,was by faith Ahmedi But to critising the Christianity muslims made him their hero .he colsed his centers in London in after debating with Anis Sharoosh in 1986 .don't say the colour of the Crow is not black but white..I wrote you the Offices of The Jesus Christ In Gospel of John chapter 3:16-18. For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life .17.For God did not send his son in to the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him18.Whoever believes in him is not condemned ,but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and one son..Who is son , Jesus Christ is the OnlY Son of God why?. Because Roman 1:2-4.,The Gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Spriptures regarding his Son,Who as to his human nature was a descedant ofDavid and who through the Spirit of Holiness was declared with power to be the Son of Godby his resurrection from dead

Ahmed Deedat ( mercy of Allah be upon him ) died in 8th Aug. 2005 in SouthAfrica not in Saudi Arabia .. And he was not Ahmedi by faith , for u to know read this Declaration signed by Deedat himself in 23/7/1987, saying that MIRZA GULLAM AHMED and his followers are KUFFAR (unbelievers).

And about your lovely verses of John ... Sorry dear I don't need any one to sacrifice for me ... I think the book you believe in declared that this theory of Jesus' death for humanity is not acceptable ... man does not need any one to pay for him!!

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die; the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father with him, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son with him; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. [JPS]

The other thing is that we - Muslims - do NOT believe these words - verses u cited from john - to be the true Jesus' (pbuh) words.

The last thing is that you are quoting Romans which is written by Paul who is regarded to be liar! The only thing he wanted to teach was about his apocalyptic Jesus crucified! (1Cor 2:2)

My Friend you are totally wrong convince me what you believe my claim is that you believe the Arab rituals .
Compare the teachings and Character of Jesus Christ .
His mighty mightness is also mentioned in your Quran . He is not fight he did not do wrong and he gave his life on cross and he raised from dead on thide day and now with God and has to come again as the last prophet,King and Judge, Acts Chapter 1:3 After His suffering ,he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive he appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.4 On one occasion ,while he was eating with them ,he gave them this command" Do not leave Jerusalem but wait for the gift my Father primed which you have heard me speak about For John baptized you with water ,but in few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit .verse 10They were Looking intently up in to the sky as he was going .when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them .11, Men of Galilee ;" They said :
why so you stand here looking in to the sky ? The same Jesus ,who has been taken from you in to heaven ,will come back in the same way you have seen him to go into heaven.
this is the second coming of Jesus Christ .
Your problem is ,that you only understand the prophets who were just men born by an ordinary system like me and you . but you do not understand the Meticulous birth of Jesus Christ and why it happened ,

Dear Friend, Don't try to convince me any thing through the unreliable historical account of Luke used in the Acts of the apostles, it's not regarded as an accurate history of early Christianity, at least it's my view to this false book which is made to make Paul a friend of the apostles mainly peter the rock!!

Jesus (pbuh) didn't fight because of his military status! Any one in that case would never think in fighting! That's madness and if you want say suicide! The funniest thing here is that Jesus according to your faith committed suicide! [I can explain if you can't understand what I'm saying!]

But who told you that we don't know the wisdom of Allah in creating Jesus with such method?!

Firstly, Don't you believe that Allah almighty can do anything? And that thing which is impossible for humans is possible for God as the bible says so?

Allah created Jesus in the womb of Mary by the angel Gabriel, and that was without a human father!! Why is that?!

Sura 21:91 [… and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples]

Another answer is so easy if you understand the nature of the Jewish people who do not believe but in seeing great miracles, and also if it's done, many won't believe. E.g. see the account of Lazarus in John, they saw him died and Jesus prayed (john 11:41-42) to his God and raised Lazarus from death, some of them didn't believe in him and went to the priests and the Pharisees!!! Then those who have very hard hearts can not believe easily, and so the miracles of Jesus, beginning with his birth and his speaking at this age saying: I'm a slave of Allah (as the Quran records), then raising people from death, healing lepers … etc. All of his miracles were great and that is much related to the nature of the people he was sent to!!

The other this is that to show us that Allah can do any thing at any time. He created Jesus without father and that was a great miracle for all nations.

2- the People Jesus Chose called the Disciples of Jesus Christ , were also Apostles ,Rusals,and they were also got direct calls from God through the Angels ,the Inspiration (Va hi)/to be convinced and testify that Jesus is the only one who raised and alive .so they preached this Gospel in to the word.

If Jesus was the only one to DIE and raise from death, then you have to worship Enoch for he doesn't die till this moment!! He is IMMORTAL as your crucified god dear! Read

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Dear you must worship your immortal Enoch the seventh of Adam as Jude said before quoting the apocryphal Enoch as scripture

To Be Continued ...

**م. عمـرو المصري** · 12 ديس, 2007, 09:38 م

read sura 53:18-20 lar minad etc

Another fake, the story of Al Gharaneeq!!

Ibn Kathir said: "At this point many of the scholars of Tafsir mentioned the story of the Gharaniq and how many of those who had migrated to Ethiopia came back when they thought that the idolators of the Quraysh had become Muslims, but these reports all come through Mursal chains of narration and I do not think that any of them may be regarded as Sahih. " .. and there is a research in arabic written by sheikh Mohamed NaserAl-Din ALALBANI entitled "Nasb al-majaneeq le-nasf qesat al-gharaniq" in english it's translated as "Making Engines to destroy the story of Gharaneeq" .. Read it for more information about this false record of gharaneeq , book is avaliable here in arabic ...

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