السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

حياكم الله اخي الكريم

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حياكم الله اخي الكريم

و نتمنى لك دوام التوفيق

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
طبعاً هذا جهد المقل أخي عمرو، خاصة بعد الرد الرائع من أخي الحبيب the truth ،و معذرة على التأخر.

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Thank you for your kind reply, It always gives me pleasure to have dialogues with friendly and nice people like you. I hope we can be friends, I think we'll be good friends.


In Islamic doctrine, we believe that God(Allah) has sent many messengers to guide mankind throughout the history, and we believe that Jesus Christ is one of them, so is Prophet Muhammad. And we also believe that Allah has revealed many books as the word of God with his messengers, so are both the new and old testaments and The Holy Quran.
However, we have reasons to think that the bible is not preserved in the state it was first revealed. Notice that we're talking about two testaments with centuries between the write down of them.
Check out these videos please :
1)http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...5BD82BC398718D
2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=976LYvXx6do



And about the sin, we don't see any contradiction between forgiveness and justice, that for example, if somebody has been faulty with you, you're highly encouraged to forgive him. And this is considered to be a good manner. You're not think of to be unjust, it's your right and you just decided to give it away and forgive him. And you really don't have to punish your son(if you have one) instead of punishing the real one who was faulty with you !
Back to our case, Adam and Eve did wrong when they've eaten from the forbidden tree. Then they asked for forgiveness and they had it, but they had to complete their life on earth. It's just that simple. Forgiveness is not unjust.


Islam put a whole complete institution to organize the the whole life of a Muslim, and the order of the Muslim nation. The problem is not with Islam, the problem is with some Muslims who don't really stick to Islam guiding and Instructions. This is a real fact that there are people in every religion who don't follow the guiding and instructions of that religion. However, the Islamic world still have a lower rates of crimes and social corruptions than any other societies. The Middle East issue is a mixture of religion and politics problems. I think it's just enough to know that Jews have always lived among us for centuries before the state of Israel ever come to existence. The interaction of western and foreign countries and powers started all this series of violence and counter violence when they called for a country exclusively for jews on the musims and arabs land. The violence was the action and violence was the reaction.


I hope this answers you questions, Hope you all best.



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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

ممكن الترجمة للعربية اخي لاني لا افهم الانجليزي

Please name one scientific error, and one historical error please. Only one at a time because I would like to answer each individually. Please do not give me a link to another website...I want YOUR findings.

[ King James Version ]-[ Ps:56:5 ]-[ Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil. ]

The Bible itself acknowledges himself distortive

I am sure you are aware, what it means to take something out of context correct? That verse that you quoted has nothing whatsoever to do with the bible being distorted. If you are going to show me a contradiction please read the verse IN CONTEXT. I am sure it frustrates you to see people taking the verses in the Quran out of context as well.


But since you mentioned the Psalms, we could look at Psalm 119:89 "Forever, oh Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven" I don't know a whole lot about Islam, but in Christianity, God is all-powerful. It's not even logical to assume that an All-Knowing, All-Powerful God that spoke the world into existance, could not preserve his Holy Word. The Bible is today what it was 2000 years ago, and the Dead Sea Scrolls have attested to it's perservation.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم .. الحمدلله والصلاة والسلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين اما بعد :

Hello ,

Please name one scientific error, and one historical error please. Only one at a time because I would like to answer each individually. Please do not give me a link to another website...I want YOUR findings.

Scientific error:

GEN-1-5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. [ King James Version ]
How Was Night And Day Without The Sun?
Historical error:

EZE-30-10: Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon.

EZE-30-11: He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.

EZE-30-12: And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers: I the LORD have spoken it.

Nebuchadrezzar did not destroy Egypt

Source: Reverand Peter Murphy



I am sure you are aware, what it means to take something out of context correct? That verse that you quoted has nothing whatsoever to do with the bible being distorted. If you are going to show me a contradiction please read the verse IN CONTEXT. I am sure it frustrates you to see people taking the verses in the Quran out of context as well.


But since you mentioned the Psalms, we could look at Psalm 119:89 "Forever, oh Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven" I don't know a whole lot about Islam, but in Christianity, God is all-powerful. It's not even logical to assume that an All-Knowing, All-Powerful God that spoke the world into existance, could not preserve his Holy Word. The Bible is today what it was 2000 years ago, and the Dead Sea Scrolls have attested to it's perservation.

But i Put the verse in full and did not put a part of the verse .
Maybe you escape of the answer , But there are another text i want respond from you
JER-23-36: And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.

You can read about Islam , and I advise you to compare the religion of Islam with Christianity and the Quran with the Bible

Bye ,

انا برضه يا اخى ماليش فى الانجليزى بس بتابع بطريقة سهلة اوى
باخد الكلام بالماوس كوبى
واحطهم فى الترجمة على جوجل
بيظهر الموضوع مترجم بس مكسر شوية
بس الكلام -لحد ما- مفهوم
وجزى الله جميع الاحباب خيرا

Historical error:

EZE-30-10: Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon.

EZE-30-11: He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.

EZE-30-12: And I will make the rivers dry, and sell the land into the hand of the wicked: and I will make the land waste, and all that is therein, by the hand of strangers: I the LORD have spoken it.

Nebuchadrezzar did not destroy Egypt

I had to do a little research on this one because I had never heard this before. And from what I have found, there isn't any conclusive archeological evidence that he did or did not destroy Egypt. You say Nebuchadrezzar didn't destroy Egypt, but you cannot say for sure. The prophesy never says that Egypt would be wiped off the earth, so to say because Egypt is still here is not proof that it wasn't once destroyed.

But i Put the verse in full and did not put a part of the verse .
Maybe you escape of the answer.

Putting the complete verse doesn't mean you can't take it out of context. The verse you quoted below also has nothing to do with God allowing His word to be distorted. I will give you an example: You say that Islam is a Peaceful religion, however there are at least 109 verses in the Quran (not counting those in the Hadith) which speak of violence against unbelievers. Here are a few:

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

You can read about Islam , and I advise you to compare the religion of Islam with Christianity and the Quran with the Bible.

I can read about Islam. The Quran is available for all to read, however Islam and Christianity are so different that it proves to me they are not of the same God. Christ told his followers "Love your enemy's, do good to those who persecute you and pray for those who use you" Islam says "Strike off their heads.."

My friend, Jesus Christ, whom you hold as a prophet is much more than that. His shed blood can save your soul from Hell. Turn to the living God and be saved from your sins. God is just and will not forgive without the shedding of innocent blood. Islam will not save you.

جزاكم الله خير على كل ما تقومون به

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة عمرو وليد

there isn't any conclusive archeological evidence that he did or did not destroy Egypt

So as long as there is no any evidence to support the BIBLE's stories, i will consider that the HESTORICAL ERROR in the BIBLE still there and no one can prove the opposite, and for me one mistake is enough evidence to prove that the BIBLE is not from the GOD.

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة عمرو وليد

You say that Islam is a Peaceful religion, however there are at least 109 verses in the Quran (not counting those in the Hadith) which speak of violence against unbelievers. Here are a few:

My friend again you misunderstood ISLAM, the fight (NOT VIOLENCE) you are talking about in ISLAM is to support the true religion not for violence like what you said, to support the WEAK muslims, not to force people to be muslims.

BUT what about the BIBLE:

المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة عمرو وليد

Christ told his followers "Love your enemy's, do good to those who persecute you and pray for those who use you"

Let's check together

(Joshua 6)
21And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
22But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.
23And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.
24And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD.

(Luke 19)
27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

(Ezekiel 9)
4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
8And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?
9Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not.
10And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

isn't all of the above are a true examble for the VIOLENCE???
Hey my friend use your mind to compare HONESTLY

PEACE BE UPON YOU

I had to do a little research on this one because I had never heard this before. And from what I have found, there isn't any conclusive archeological evidence that he did or did not destroy Egypt. You say Nebuchadrezzar didn't destroy Egypt, but you cannot say for sure. The prophesy never says that Egypt would be wiped off the earth, so to say because Egypt is still here is not proof that it wasn't once destroyed

You Can read the history of Egypt and you'll find that Nebuchadnezzar did not destroy Egypt

Putting the complete verse doesn't mean you can't take it out of context. The verse you quoted below also has nothing to do with God allowing His word to be distorted. I will give you an example: You say that Islam is a Peaceful religion, however there are at least 109 verses in the Quran (not counting those in the Hadith) which speak of violence against unbelievers. Here are a few:

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
أخي الفاضل عمرو وليد، الإستشهاد الذي أوردته كمثال على الخطأ العلمي في الكتاب لمقدس يمكن الأخذ و الرد فيه، مبدئياً انقل رد أخينا الكريم "عبد المنعم" مع حذف هذه الجملة من الرد على أول جزئية ((maybe his light is not enough))، فلا داعي لهذا الأسلوب في الحوارات خاصة أن محاورك لم يبد منه ما يدعو لذلك، فهذا حوار و ليس مناظرة.
ثم بعد ذلك ضع الإعتراض على تصور البايبل للأرض على أنها مسطحة :
[align=left]The Bible Says that Earth is flat !!

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV)
Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from any place. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
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نقلاً عن : http://answering-islam.com/earth_flat.htm
ثم بعد ذلك نأتي لموضوع خراب مصر ...

[align=left]Actually there is... and let me quote this from the book named "The Assyrian and Babelonian empires and other states of the near east from the eight to sixth centuries B.C." by Jogn Boardman, Cambridge Univeristy Press
"The claims that Nebuchadrezzar invaded Egypt itself rests mainly on Old Testament references, which imply an attack on Egyptian temples in Heliopolis and Tehpanhes. No inscriptions of this reign have yet been found in Egypt" and then he refutes a fragmentary babylonian text with these claims.

And another quote from the book "A history of ancient Israel and Judah" By James Maxwell Miller,John Haralson Hayes‏
"[601-600 B.C.] Nebuchadrezzar sent his army and marched into Hatti land ... The king of Egypt [Neco] heard of it and sent out his army; they clashed in an open battle and inflicted heavy losses on each other. The king of Akkad and his army turned back and returned to Babylon."
"The frank Babylonian report demonstrates that Nebuchadrezzar attempted to invade Egypt late in 601 BC but was either defeated or fought to a draw ..."

Both Encarta and Britannica Encyclopedias mention an attempt to invade Egypt later in his reign, with no evidence of any sort of success, leave a part the claims of the destroy of Egypt..[/CENTER]

ثم بعد ذلك ضع رد أخي عبد المنعم حول جزئية العنف في الإسلام ... هل أرسلت له الجزء الخاص بالخطيئة الأصلية في الرد الأول ؟ حى نضع له رداً مناسباً حول موضوع المسيح و نبوته ....