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  • somu1
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    تكفووون لمن يجيد الانجليزية !! امرأة كانت مسلمة تحاورني :(

    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته ,,
    اخواني أنا مسجل في إحدى المواقع التعليمية الاجنبية , وبالأمس جائتني رسالة من امرأة تقولي فيها انها كانت مسلمة وانها ولدت من أبوين مسلمين في تركيا ! ولكنها الآن تركت الاسلام وهي تعيش قرب المكسيك حاليا لأنها وجدت أن هناك أخطاء كثيرة في الاسلام وخاصتاً القرآن (( هذا بزعمها والعياذ بالله )) !! وأن الاسلام يحرض على قتل الأبرياء ويحرض على الاغتصاب و ... " أشياء سخيفة والعياذ بالله "
    ثم رديت عليها بنفسي بانجليزيتي الضعيفة ! وطلبت منها أن تقول لي المواضع التي تزعم أن القرآن أخطأ فيها ؟؟ والآآن ردّت علي برسالتين فيها تفاصيل عن مواضع الاخطاء والاستنتاجات !! فهمت بعض من كلامها الآن وأستطيع أن ارد على بعضها دون الرجوع للمصحف لأنها استنتاجات سخيفة ! لكن لا أعرف ان اصيغها الى الانجليزي بشكل جيّد !! سأعرض الرسائل بيني وبينها بالتفصيل شاهدوا وساعدوني رجاءأ الله لا يحرمكم الأجر

    رسالتها الأولى لي :
    hello
    i`m an ex muslim, i born in the mountains of Turkey and daughter of Muslim parents but leave that religion because I learned about the Koran I read everything from beginning to end and what I encountered was frightening the Koran promotes the killing of innocent people promotes violence addition is full of contradictions for example How could a prophet marry a 9 year old girl? How could a prophet be more than 20 wives and concubines and order the same time
    his followers have only 4? no wonder that God allowed Muhammad had more than 4 wives? Islam is a cult that takes total control of a person and reduces them to slaves I had grown up with the teachings of those close of the Koran but I was never taught of the negative points of the Koran, so i so I set the task of researching for myself and read the Koran and found that Islam is a sick cult
    who has won through
    of intimidation and fear in people .
    that promotes murder, pedophilia relations, the insest, rape, slander .
    Muhammad was a sick man who suffered from mental illness and all his followers is the same, the Koran is full of mathematical errors, errors scientific, moral errors
    if you do not believe me see for yourself by reading the Koran and looking at all the immoral acts of Muhammad.
    thanks for read.


    ثم أرسلت لها انا هذه الرسالة :



    hii



    Ok , first of all i want u to forgive me cuz my english too bad i have many things to tell but i don't know how to write it english :( so i will try discussing with you .. even though i don't know what's ur religion now ??


    first , you said '' koran promotes the killing of innocet people '' i'm an arabic boy and i've been speek arabic for 18 years !! and i read koran more than 30 times ok


    and i didn't find one day that koran said or promotes killing


    of inoceent people !!!!!!!!!!!! where is it pleease tell me ??? if u ''really'' read koran as u said from begining to the end ,, then tell me where is it ? ok i'm waitin for it



    second , about how prophet mohamad marry a 9 years old girl ? nice question


    look .. if u compare between us and people before 1000 years ago,that is unfare !! cuz there are many many big diffrints there life is diffrint there culture there atmospher even there (( bodied )) !


    so , let's look to Amarica if you want ,, american law before 50 years ago they allow to a 10 years old girl to marry a man if her parents are agree !!! this befor 50 years ago just ! how about 1430 years ago when prophet mohamad was !! just think about it ^^



    also note * prophet mohamad has 9 wifes not 20 !!


    in additon , he got married of most of his wifes when he was around the 50 years old ! i tell u that just to know he wasn't seek for sex !! he was able to do that when he was 20 or 30 or even 40 ! why he didn't ?? cuz he wasn't seeking for just sex !



    third (( that promotes murder, pedophilia relations, the insest, rape, slander ))


    this is what you wrote !!! i don't know what to say ,, actually i loughed alot when i read that cuz it shows that you don't know '' anything " about islam


    how u say that ! when islam put hard punishment for every


    thing u said '' murder '' "pedophilia" "relations" " insest" "rape" "slander" !!!!!


    all that are a big mistakes in islam , if any muslim do that he will be punished by islam roles



    (( Muhammad was a sick man who suffered from mental illness and all his followers is the same ))



    thanks for your plenty respect !!!!



    (( the Koran is full of mathematical errors, errors scientific, moral errors ))



    Ok ,, tell me some of those errors ?? plz show me i really want to see those errors if you don't mind !!!



    finally i want to tell u something :


    somebody gave u wrongs ideas ! or the ((( media ))) or something els ?? i don't know ! but because u said many things wrong and even not exist !!!!



    i wish u all the best , and i hope u will really think abot it without anu bias



    thanks



    ثم أرسلت هذه الرسالة ,, رداً على رسالتي :


    hi



    I will answer your query, in fiirst time I have read, because I was Muslim, and i have reAD MANY TIMES TOO, so the numerals


    the many mistakes of the Koran are as follows:


    1):the Koran claims to be PERFECT. In other words, NO ERRORS IN THE QURAN! (Sura 85:21-22). Therefore, if we find AT LEAST one mistake, the Koran would be false. well I will provide that the Koran is false.


    2):But let's go even further, Muhammad himself invites us to inspect and compare the perfection of his word with the Bible. An important note here is that we should put that Muslims believe in the inspiration of the Bible, but say they have been "fabricated" by the Jews and Christians. "Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit." Sura 2: 136 (Ver además Suras 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 23, 25...).


    The Koran was written 600 years after the Bible was completed, so where the Bible and the Quran agree, the Bible must be the authority! Muslims claim the Bible as the Christians have, which includes New Testament and the Bible of the Jews, who have been using for thousands of years before the birth of the prophet of Islam, and is composed only the Old Testament, is heavily corrupted. But the question to ask is ...."When the Bible was corrupted?" If the Bible was corrupt and 600 years after Christ, when the "experiences" or "revelations" of Muhammad were collected, how is that Muslims are urged to read the Koran? If Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted after the year 600 AD, they jumped from bad to fall into the worst, because the authenticity of the books of the Old and New Testament has been proven beyond doubt .


    3):The Islamic cause is completely lost, even if the Bible is wrong. If the Bible is not perfect (and the Koran claims that the version without "rigged" by Christians and Jews is), then the Koran is not. The Bible "perfect" that the Koran urges read only exists in the minds of Muslims. It is a Bible that does not exist. Why there? Because it will never be found. The Bible would be perfect for them would be that he disagrees with the brutality that now read.


    a):¨ According to the Koran: the place where Abraham was born and praised is the Mecca (Sura 14:37) but the question here is. "Mecca? nor Mohammed nor its inhabitants existed when Abraham lived!


    b):According to the Koran, Abraham was thrown into the fire by Nimrod (Sura 9:69, 21:68-69) Impossible! Nimrod died centuries before Abraham was born. How awful.


    c):According to the Koran, the flood happened in the days of Moses (Sura 7:136 cf. 7:59) is impossible because the Koran itself says (Sura 11:32-48) who was in the days of Noah.


    d):According to the Koran the crucifixion of Christ occurred in the days of Pharaoh, Sura 7:124 which is impossible impossible that the crucifixion was a method of martyrdom by the Romans invented more than 1,500 years later


    e):and even more illogical. According to the Koran, the identity of Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Moses and Aaron (Sura 19:28) which is impossible because archeology has shown that Moses lived about 1500 years before Mary.


    not stretched as far as I could do that the Koran has an infinite number of mistakes, I will end with what the Koran refers to the woman identified as a piece of arable land (Sura 2:223), and elsewhere said that the men are superior to women, then it contradicts what he says in another sura that is superior to God to do His will.


    thanks for read and i hope that you dig deeper into both the Qur'an and the real story


    and compare.



    ثم ألحقتها بهذه الرسالة مبااشرة :



    Other interesting claims made by the Koran



    The Koran claims that Old Testament figures included words such as "Muslim" and "Islam" in his speeches. It is impossible that they did, because such terms do not exist at that time. In fact, when Abraham lived, the Arabic language in the Koran was written almost a thousand years was far in the future to be invented.



    The Quran even claims that Jesus used the words alluded to in his speeches before. Wow! When Jesus developed his ministry will take centuries for these terms were invented. (Suras 2:60, 126-128, 132-133, 260, 3:49-52, 67, 6:74-82, 7:59-63, 120-126 etc.)..


    One of the most outrageous claims made by the Qur'an is contained in Sura 20:87-95, which alleges that the Israelites made a golden calf on the advice of the Samaritans, for their disobedience in the desert. However, the Samaritans did not exist until centuries after the golden calf incident happened.



    For those who wonder about the scientific consistency that could have a book revered by many millions of people around the world, we must sadly report that Sura 18:84-86 enlightens us with the information that the sun sets in a well mud.



    Even more incredible, the Sura 22:5 explains how humans were formed from blood clots



    The Sura 7:163-166 claims that an entire population was transformed into monkeys. This list will continue to be enriched as time passes and my study of the Koran and other Islamic scriptures is advance.



    the Qur'an is nothing but a collection of myths, stories, superstitions, and legends incorporated into a single book, much of it invented according to circumstances, many other




    تكفووووووووون لا تتثاقلوا الرد ! ساعدوني لعل الله يهدي على يديكم هذا المرأة !! الله لايحرمكم الأجر جميعاً حتى الذي لا يستطيع أن يتحدث الانجليزية يمكنه المساعده بأن يرسلها لشخص يعرفه او زميل يستطيع مساعدتنا












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    #2
    لا تقلق أخى إن شاء الله , ستجد المساعدة لأن مثل هذه الأشياء مردود عليها من قبل كثيراً وتمهل حضرتك قليلاً لأن المطلوب معرفة الشبهات فقط ومن ثم سنجد آلالاف الرسائل السابقة للرد .

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      جزااك الله خير يا أخي شجعتني : )

      لكن نسيت أن أسأل سؤال مهممم لأساتذتي الذين سبقوني بالخبرة هنا ,, هل تتوقعون أن ردودها هي من كتبها ؟ أم انها نسخته من كتاب أو موضوع يشكك في الاسلاام وأعطتني إياه على أنها هي من كتبته ؟؟؟؟

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        #4
        جزاك الله تعالى كل الخير اخي الكريم لتوجهك الى هذا المنتدى المبارك الذي يحوي بينه الكثير و الكثير من افضل المحاورين و لا نزكي احدا على الله تعالى

        و جزاك الله تعالى كل الخير اخي الكريم لانك التفت للموضوع فقد كان غيرك يستطيع ان يقول الكلمة العاجزة ((و انا مالي ))

        فلك مني اجمل التحة اخي الكريم

        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة somu1
        جزااك الله خير يا أخي شجعتني : )

        لكن نسيت أن أسأل سؤال مهممم لأساتذتي الذين سبقوني بالخبرة هنا ,, هل تتوقعون أن ردودها هي من كتبها ؟ أم انها نسخته من كتاب أو موضوع يشكك في الاسلاام وأعطتني إياه على أنها هي من كتبته ؟؟؟؟
        لا اخي الكريم الراجح ان هذا المقال كتبتة بيديها لسبب بسيط رايتة في رسالتها فقد خطات خطا لا يمكن و ان يوجد في موقع اللهم الا اذا كانت ناقلة من منتدى اخر

        المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة somu1
        a):¨ According to the Koran: the place where Abraham was born and praised is the Mecca (Sura 14:37) but the question here is. "Mecca? nor Mohammed nor its inhabitants existed when Abraham lived
        لا يمكن لموقع اجنبي ان يكتب اسم علم و يضع قبلة ((the)) كما كتبت هي
        ((is the Mecca ))

        و حقا اخي الكريم رسالتها مليئة بالحقد و الكراهية للاسلام و الراجح عندي اخي و الله اعلم انها لم تكن مسلمة ابدا يوما ما

        و تعليقا على رسالتها اخي ارجوا ارسال هذة الرسالة مع الردود المتواضعة

        و جزاكم الله تعالى كل الخير

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        Peace to you no matter
        what Was your religion

        As We are the religion of peace

        But let me say:

        Your questions show that you are not aware of Islam at all,

        as your questions was a lot and and brief

        Answer will also be a brief

        The first question :

        "When the Bible was corrupted?" If the Bible was corrupt and 600 years after Christ, when the "experiences" or "revelations" of Muhammad were collected, how is that Muslims are urged to read the Koran? If Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted after the year 600 AD

        We Muslims do not believe in the Bible, the Torah, the current in the hands of Jews and Christians distorted by the very fact, and you can be assured yourself of this distortion on this link

        http://www.islam4all.com/part_3.htm

        But how this and the Koran says

        [ Yunus:94 ]-[ And if thou ( Muhammad ) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee , then question those who read the Scripture ( that was ) before thee . Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee . So be not thou of the waverers . ]

        This verse talks about the prophecy the Prophet Muhammad in the Bible and the Torah, which was known to the Jews and the Christians and was preserved by God to make them believe in Prophet Mohammad

        And you can see this clear and explicit prophecies of the Prophet Muhammad in the Torah and the Gospel on this link

        http://www.answering-christianity.com/predict.htm


        And this does not mean we believe everything in the Torah and the Gospel now, because the fields do not believe in the mind
        That the machine had died or steel, or that the Lord tired or die, and such of these myths are now in the Torah and the Bible and we Muslims do not accept them completely

        Verse, but here talking about prophecies only
        And the prophet Mohammed said I have no doubt and do not ask

        and also says

        [ Al-Maidah:46 ]-[ And We caused Jesus , son of Mary , to follow in their footsteps , confirming that which was ( revealed ) before him , and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light , confirming that which was ( revealed ) before it in the Torah a guid ]

        Structures and also here talking about the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Prophet

        This is what is now not at all

        We do not know what it is matta Gospel or John Gospel or mark Gospel or Luke
        Gospel
        Quran speaks about the original Gospel which is lost Now

        Gospel or Luke
        Gospel
        Quran speaks about the original Gospel which is lost Now

        And the Koran proves the distortion of the Torah and the Gospel in many verses, such as

        [ Al-Baqara:75 ]-[ Have ye any hope that they will be true to you when a party of them used to listen to the Word of Allah , then used to change it , after they had understood it knowingly? ]

        [ Al-Maidah:14 ]-[ And with those who say : "Lo! we are Christians , " We made a covenant , but they forgot a part of that whereof they were admonished . Therefor We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them till the Day of Resurrection , when Allah will inform them of t ]

        [ Al-Baqara:79 ]-[ Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands anthem say , "This is from Allah , " that they may purchase a small gain therewith . Woe unto them for that their hands have written , and woe unto them for that they earn thereby . ]
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        تابع اخي ان شاء الله تعالى باقي الاجابات ساحاول الرد عليها سريعا

        وجزاكم الله تعالى خيرا

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          The second question

          a):¨ According to the Koran: the place where Abraham was born and praised is the Mecca (Sura 14:37) but the question here is. "Mecca? nor Mohammed nor its inhabitants existed when Abraham lived!
          b):According to the Koran, Abraham was thrown into the fire by Nimrod (Sura 9:69, 21:68-69) Impossible! Nimrod died centuries before Abraham was born. How awful.

          the answer

          You are completely wrong Who told you that the Holocaust of Ibrahim was in Mecca verse says

          ibrahim and his wife Hagar pass through Mecca

          the verse says

          [ Ibrahim:37 ]-[ Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House , our Lord! that they may establish proper worship ; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them , and provide Thou them with fruits in ]

          but did not say housing and verse that he lived there forever and

          the Nimrod Holocaust was in Babylon, Iraq

          images of Nimrod Holocaust in

          Babylon, Iraq




          http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250198_041.jpg



          http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250199_037.jpg

          this is the image of
          Nimrod in Babylon, Iraq



          http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250197_Nimrudstele.jpg

          I hope to be the words of with evidence not only coppy and past

          [ Ibrahim:37 ]-[ Our Lord! Lo! I have settled some of my posterity in an uncultivable valley near unto Thy holy House , our Lord! that they may establish proper worship ; so incline some hearts of men that they may yearn toward them , and provide Thou them with fruits in ]

          as we have said previously that

          The Nimrod Holocaust was in Babylon in Iraq, and these are pictures from the effects of Nimrod and the Holocaust

          and this is the story of Ibrahim

          http://www.islamonline.net/english/h...article1.shtml


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          تابع اخي باقي الرد باذن الله تعالى

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            The third question

            c):According to the Koran, the flood happened in the days of Moses (Sura 7:136 cf. 7:59) is impossible because the Koran itself says (Sura 11:32-48) who was in the days of Noah.


            As I said earlier your information about Islam so weak

            Desinger so you do not know that there are two flood and not a single flood

            Flood biggest event since the days of Noah and the load time immemorial Noah and his family and the faithful to Noah's Ark

            [ Al-Ankabut:14 ]-[ And verify We sent Noah ( as Our messenger ) unto his folk , and he continued with them for a thousand years save fifty years ; and the flood engulfed them , for they were wrongdoers . ]

            http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1158321450188

            The second flood of the deluge of Moses

            When he was chased from Pharaoh and his soldiers prevented the God of Moses and Pharaoh flooded

            [ Al-Anfal:54 ]-[ ( Their way is ) as the way of Pharoah s folk and those before them ; they denied the revelations of their Lord , so We destroyed them in their sins . And We drowned the folk of Pharaoh . All were evil doers . ]

            [ Al-Araf:133 ]-[ So We sent them the flood and the locusts and the vermin and the frogs and the blood a succession of clear signs . But they were arrogant and became guilty . ]((no the the
            flood of the nation of Noah))

            http://www.islamonline.net/surah/eng...p?hSurahID=116


            And the difference between the two floods too long and many years

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              Fourth Question

              d):According to the Koran the crucifixion of Christ occurred in the days of Pharaoh, Sura 7:124 which is impossible impossible that the crucifixion was a method of martyrdom by the Romans invented more than 1,500 years later

              the answer

              Please


              see that link

              the full answer

              here



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                Fifth question

                e):and even more illogical. According to the Koran, the identity of Mary the mother of Jesus was the sister of Moses and Aaron (Sura 19:28) which is impossible because archeology has shown that Moses lived about 1500 years before Mary.


                the answer
                At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" [Qur'an 19:27-28]


                the answer


                [frame="2 98"].
                This claim of contradiction is apparently mistaken because it disregards both the Arabic idiom and the context of the verse. In Arabic the word akhun or ukhtun carries two meanings.
                1. Blood brother or sister and
                2. Brotherhood/sisterhood in clan and faith.

                The above verse has used the word ukhtun in the second sense. This is not unusual as the Qur'an uses the same idiomatic expression in several earlier verses. In chapter 11 verse 78, Prophet Lot refers to the women folk of his community as my daughters.
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                [align=left]And his people came rushing towards him, and they had been long in the habit of practising abominations. He said: "O my people! Here are my daughters: they are purer for you (if ye marry)! Now fear Allah, and cover me not with shame about my guests! Is there not among you a single right-minded man?" [Qur'an 11:78]


                In Chapter 7 verses 65, 73 and 85 Prophets Hud, Saleh and Shuaib(P) are referred to as "brothers" of their respective peoples.

                And unto (the tribe of) A'ad (We sent) their brother, Hud. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. Will ye not ward off (evil)? [Qur'an 7:65]
                And to (the tribe of) Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. A wonder from your Lord hath come unto you. Lo! this is the camel of Allah, a token unto you; so let her feed in Allah's earth, and touch her not with hurt lest painful torment seize you. [Qur'an 7:73]
                And unto Midian (We sent) their brother, Shu'eyb. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other Allah save Him. Lo! a clear proof hath come unto you from your Lord; so give full measure and full weight and wrong not mankind in their goods, and work not confusion in the earth after the fair ordering thereof. That will be better for you, if ye are believers. [Qur'an 7:85]






                The people of Lot are also mentioned in chapter 50 verse 13 as the brothers of Lot except for the word "banatii" which means my daughters in 11:78, all other references have used the word "akhun" which means brother.

                The 'Ad, Pharaoh, the brethren of Lut, (Qur'an 50:13)


                And in another place, the Qur'an addresses the believers as brothers-in-faith.


                The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy. [Qur'an 49:10]





                George Sale in his translation of the Qur'an says:


                George Sale in his translation of the Qur'an says:
                From the identity of names it has been generally imagined by Christian writers that the Koran here confounds Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary of Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron; which intolerable anachronism, if it were certain, is sufficient of itself to destroy the pretended authority of this book. But though Mohammed may be supposed to have been ignorant enough in ancient history and chronology, to have committed so gross a blunder; yet I do not see how it can be made out from the words of the Koran. For it does not follow, because two persons have the same name, and have each a father and brother who bear the same names, that they must therefore necessarily be the same whereby it manifestly appears that Mohammed well knew and asserted that Moses preceded Jesus several ages. And the commentators accordingly fail not to tell us, that there had passed about one thousand eight hundred years between Amran the father of Moses and Amrean the father of the Virgin Mary: they also make them the sons of different persons; the first, they say, was the son of Yeshar, or Izhar (though he was really his brother) the son of Kahath, the son of Levi; and the other was the son of Matthan, whose genealogy they trace, but in a very corrupt and imperfect manner, up to David and thence to Adam. It must be observed that though the Virgin Mary is called in the Koran, the sister of Aaron, yet she is nowhere called the sister of Moses.[1]
                In the Bible, Elizabeth was called daughters of Aaron(P). Was she literally a daughter of Aaron?
                In the days of Herod, King of Judea, there was a priest named Zechari'ah, of the division of Abi'jah; and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. [Luke 1:5, RSV]
                Or Jesus(P) was addressed as Son of David in the Bible. Was he literally Son of David(P)?
                And the crowds that went before him and that followed him shouted, "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!" [Matthew 21:9 RSV]
                But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, "Hosanna to the Son of David!" they were indignant; [Matthew 21:15 RSV]
                If we take that literally then it is also a contradiction in the Bible.
                And Allah knows best.





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                  #9
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                  The sixth and last question

                  Is there equality between men and women in Islam?


                  Yes there is, and that is a spiritual equality and not an Earthly Physical one; meaning that the equality between men and women in Islam is determined by their belief and righteous work, but their roles and responsibilities in life are different because of their physical and emotional differences.
                  Let us read what Allah Almighty Said in His Holy Book, the Noble Quran:
                  Allah Almighty ordered men in the Noble Quran to take care of women

                  and to protect them;

                  "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard.
                  (The Noble Quran 4:34)

                  Allah Almighty also ordered men in the Noble Quran to love and respect their wives; "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.

                  (The Noble Quran, 4:19)
                  "

                  Allah Almighty equalizes between men and women;
                  "To Allah belongs
                  the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He bestows female children to whomever He wills and bestows male children to whomever He wills.

                  (The Noble Quran, 42:49)"

                  Allah Almighty equalizes between men and women in good deeds;

                  "If any do deeds of righteousness be they male or female and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them. (The Noble Quran, 4:124)"

                  Allah Almighty further equalizes between men and women;
                  "For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward.

                  (The Noble Quran, 33:35)"

                  Righteousness determines the value of humans in Allah Almighty's sight. It is not their gender or race:

                  "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted.

                  (The Noble Quran, 49:13)
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                  [align=left]I hope to be reconciled to answer your questions
                  and call by the calling of Islam and remember the words of Allaah


                  [ Az-Zumar:53 ]-[ Say : My slaves who have been prodigal to their own hurt! Despair not of the mercy of Allah , Who forgiveth all sins . Lo! He is the Forgiving , the Merciful . ]

                  [ Az-Zumar:54 ]-[ Turn unto Him repentant , and surrender unto Him , before there come unto you the doom , when ye cannot be helped . ]

                  [ Az-Zumar:55 ]-[ And follow the better ( guidance ) of that which is revealed unto you from your Lord , before the doom cometh on you suddenly when ye know not , ]


                  and i hope you to see that

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                  peace be upon you
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                  و اخر دعوانا ان الحمد لله رب العالمين

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                  • somu1
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                    #10
                    أخي وحبيبي the truth
                    الله يجزاااك كل خيير ياارب ولا يحرمك الأجر : ) لا أعرف كيف أشكرك على هذا الجميل ,, لكن لعلك تجد جمييل صنيعك هذاجبال من الحسنات في ميزان حسناتك يوم القيامة ان شاء الله ياارب
                    وآآآآآآآآسف على تأخيري
                    فيه الحين كم نقطة : الموقع التعليمي ما يدعم الصور والروابط لأننا جالسين نتراسل " على الخاص " فهل فيه طريقة لعرض الصور ؟
                    اما بالنسبة للروابط فالمراسلة الخاصة أيضا لا تسمح بالضغط على الرابط مباشرة لكن سأقول لها ان تنسخ الرابط وتضعه في صفحة أخرى

                    فيه استشارة الحين اخي قبل ما أرسل لها : انا طلبت منها في ردي الأول عليها ان تريني اين المواضع في القرآن التي ذكرت انها تشجع على قتل الأبرياء والاغتصاب والشذوذ !! لكنها لم تجبني على هذا الطلب في ردّيها الأخيرين ؟ هل اقول لها اين الرد على سؤالي قبل ان أجيبك ؟ ام أرد عليها الآن ثم أُلحق هذا الطلب في النهاية ؟

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                      #11
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                      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة somu1
                      فيه الحين كم نقطة : الموقع التعليمي ما يدعم الصور والروابط لأننا جالسين نتراسل " على الخاص " فهل فيه طريقة لعرض الصور ؟
                      اما بالنسبة للروابط فالمراسلة الخاصة أيضا لا تسمح بالضغط على الرابط مباشرة لكن سأقول لها ان تنسخ الرابط وتضعه في صفحة أخرى

                      فيه استشارة الحين اخي قبل ما أرسل لها : انا طلبت منها في ردي الأول عليها ان تريني اين المواضع في القرآن التي ذكرت انها تشجع على قتل الأبرياء والاغتصاب والشذوذ !! لكنها لم تجبني على هذا الطلب في ردّيها الأخيرين ؟ هل اقول لها اين الرد على سؤالي قبل ان أجيبك ؟ ام أرد عليها الآن ثم أُلحق هذا الطلب في النهاية ؟
                      اللهم بارك لك اخي الكريم على هذا الجهد العظيم لدعوتك و غيرتك على دين الله تعالى

                      كما قلت لك مسبقا استاذي الكريم

                      يمكن ان كان احد مكانك لقال ((و انا مالي ))

                      فجزاك الله تعالى عنا و عنها خير الجزاء بجودة و كرمة

                      اما بعد اخي الكريم

                      المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة somu1;176177[COLOR=black
                      ]يه استشارة الحين اخي قبل ما أرسل لها : انا طلبت منها في ردي الأول عليها ان تريني اين المواضع في القرآن التي ذكرت انها تشجع على قتل الأبرياء والاغتصاب والشذوذ !! لكنها لم تجبني على هذا الطلب في ردّيها الأخيرين ؟ هل اقول لها اين الرد على سؤالي قبل ان أجيبك ؟ ام أرد عليها الآن ثم أُلحق هذا الطلب في النهاية ؟
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                      اكتب لها هذا اخي في بداية الرسالة مع الاجابات فديننا اخي يحتم علينا ان نقارع الحجة بالحجة و ان نرد على ما افترت

                      من فضلك اخي الكريم اكتب لها

                      هذا الجزء

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                      Dear Colleague


                      Regardless of you on the Koran invents falsehood without the knowledge and proof

                      The challenge still stands to come from the Koran which calls for so to say to

                      Killing of innocent people, rape, homosexuality,

                      Still a challenge exists where these verses???

                      And perhaps you did not read the Bible and learn that all that Colti suspicions taken from the Bible quite

                      It was narrated that killing innocent people the Bible says

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Ez:9:6 ]-[ Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. ]

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Ps:137:9 ]-[ Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. ]

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Chr2:15:13 ]-[ That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. ]


                      And what about rape

                      The Bible says

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Nm:31:18 ]-[ But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. ]

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Hos:1:2 ]-[ The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD. ]

                      What about homosexuality

                      The Bible says

                      [ King James Version ]-[ Sm2:1:26 ]-[ I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women

                      I hope to be your words with evidence

                      The challenge still stands to come from the Koran which calls for so to say to

                      Killing of innocent people, rape, homosexuality,

                      Still a challenge exists where these verses???
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                      و هو تحدي ان تاتي بما قالت من القران الكريم ثانيا

                      و لقد جاوبت عليها و جئنا لها بنصوص تثبت قتل الابرياء و الاغتصاب و الشذوذ من الكتاب المقدس

                      ويحبذا ان ترسل لها المواضيع على اجزاء و اطلب منها ان تقرا الرد بعناية و تطلع على الروابط جيدا اذا كان حقا تبحث عن الحق لا جدال من اجل الجدال

                      و تاكد اخي ان الرسالة وصلتها و اخبرها اننا في انتظار الرد و المزيد من الاسئلة باذن الله بشرط لا تتفوه بشئ بدون دليل و ليس كلاما مرسل

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                      اما عن الروابط و الصور

                      فاطلب منها ان تنسخ الروابط و تضعها على المتصفح و تقراها بحرص

                      و روابط الصور اخي ان وضعتها تحت كل صورة

                      Incendiary effects Nimrod in Babylon, Iraq

                      http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250198_041.jpg

                      http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250199_037.jpg

                      http://www.gmrup.com/out.php/i250197_Nimrudstele.jpg

                      و هذة روابط الاجابات بالتفصيل

                      الرد على افتراء يا اخت هارون

                      Mary, Sister Of Aaron?

                      http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...rnal/mary.html

                      الصلب في عهد فرعون

                      Crucifixion Or ‘Crucifiction’ In Ancient Egypt?

                      http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Qur...l/crucify.html

                      قصة ابراهيم علية السلام

                      The story of Ibrahim

                      http://www.islamonline.net/english/h...article1.shtml

                      موقع الاعجاز العلمي في القران الكريم

                      The Quran Miracles

                      http://www.55a.net/en/miracles/a021.php
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                      بوركتم اخي وطاب سعيكم وممشاكم

                      و ارجوا ان تعجل لها بارسال الرسائل

                      و في انتظار ردها

                      نسال الله تعالى لها الهداية

                      ملحوظة شخصية 80% هذة الفتاة لم تكن مسلمة ابدا في يوم من الايام

                      و جزاكم الله تعالى عنا كل الخير




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                      • somu1
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                        #12
                        أخي the truth
                        آآسف ان كنت أرهقتك , لكن بقي رسالتها الثانية التي ألحقتها لم نرد عليها ؟
                        تستطيع ان تأخذ وقتك لاني لم ارسل لها ردود الرسالة الأولى حتّى الآن , سوف أنسقها قليلا حتا تناسب الموقع الذي نتراسل عليه

                        وهذه الرسالة التي سوف ارسلها لها الآن كتمهيد للردود , هل تريد أن أضيف عليها شيئاً قبل أن أرسلها ؟

                        hii ,,
                        Ok as your questions was a lot and brief ! Answer will also be a brief
                        i will answer each question in a Separate message .

                        But let me say first :
                        your questions show that you are not aware of islam at all !!


                        فيه استفسار بسيط استاذي the truth , هل تقصد بـ brief موجزة أم شجاعة ؟ لأنك كما تلاحظ الأجوبة ليست موجزة والرأي لك



                        أنتظرررك



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                          #13
                          لا اخي الكريم بارك الله فيك احذف كلمة (( brief))

                          (( brief)) تعني اختصار

                          فقد رايت ان اتوسع في الموضوع قليلا حتى يكون جوابا شاملا بامر الله تعالى

                          وفقك الله تعالى استاذي الكريم الى ما يحب و يرضى ارسلة بامر الله

                          بوركت وبورك سعيك


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                          • somu1
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                            #14
                            جزااك الله ألف خييير حبيبي ..
                            انا الآآن الحقيقة أمر في وقت عصييب ارجو الله ان يوفقنا فقد تشتت ذهني
                            فسوف اسافر الآن أنا والوالدة بإذن الله الى مكة المكرمة بالسيارة فربما استغرق اكثر من 11 ساعة ثم ان شاء الله ارسل لها الردود عندما اصل بالتفصيل وبالتنسيق حتى يكون كل شي منظم
                            انتظرني فسوف نتواصل عندما اصل الى مكة ان شاء الله قبل أن آآخذ العمرة ولا تنسى الرد ع الرسالة الثانية حقتها

                            أشكرك من قلبي

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                            • ياسر جبر
                              حارس مؤسس
                              • 10 يون, 2006
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                              #15
                              الأخوة الكرام بارك الله فيكم وجزاكم الله كل خير

                              مطلوب بعض الحكمة في الرد , فالردود رائعة ولكن هذا ليس الأسلوب الأمثل .

                              عليكم أن تردوا على أول نقطة أثارتها وتسألوها , ان تأتي بأهم شبهة , لا تتصرفوا برد الفعل بأن تأتي لكم ب 50 شبهة في 5 دقائق وتقضون عدة ساعات في الرد عليها .

                              والنقطة الثانية الهامة , تخيروا من تحاوروه
                              فربما لا تقرأ ما تكتبوه ..

                              نرجو قراءة الموضوع : لماذا نتحاور ؟ وأين وكيف ؟

                              الأخ الفاضل the truth
                              وفقك الله تعالى ’, أرجو أن تنظم جهدك وإمكاناتك الطيبة .... تابع الرسائل الخاصة --- جزاك الله خيرا .
                              كتاب : البيان الصحيح لدين المسيح نسخة Pdf من المطبوع.
                              الكتاب الجامع لكل نقاط الخلاف بين الإسلام والنصرانية .
                              كتاب : هل ظهرت العذراء ؟ . للرد على كتاب ظهورات العذراء للقس عبد المسيح بسيط.
                              مجموعتي الجديدة 2010 : الحوارات البسيطة القاتلة : (7 كتيبات تحتوي حوارات مبسطة).
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