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شخص ملحد تكلمت معه رغما عني عن الاسلام ساعدوني للرد عليه
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله و بركاته
وفقكم الله جميعا لما يحبه الله و يرضاه
وجعلكم سببا في اعلاء كلمة الاسلام و المسلمين
اشتركت في احد مواقع التشات لأطور من لغتي الانجليزيه و يتواجد في هذا الموقع اكثر من 65 الف شخص اون لاين في الوقت الواحد
ونسبة العرب فيه قليله جدا
انا لست حريصه ان اتكلم عن الاسلام هناك لانني لا اتكلم اللغه الانجليزيه بطلاقه ولكن كثيرا ما يسألوني عن الاسلام و المرأه .... الخ الخ الخ
اسأل الله العلي القدير ان يلهمني الصواب و ان لا اكون سببا في تشويه الاسلام او شرحه بطريقه خاطيء و يساء فهمها .
قابلت احد الاشخاص كان مسيحي و اصبح بلا ديانه يرى ان جميع الديانات " اساطير الاولين " و انه يريد اثبات ان الدين الاسلامي هو الدين الحقيقي
وطال معه الجدال بداية تكلم عن السعوديه بحكم اني سعوديه و من ثم عن ايران و من ثم عن الحجاب و عن الرسول عليه الصلاه و السلام و زواجه من السيده عائشه .
كلامه عن السعوديه و عن ايران لم اهتم به كثيرا و لكن ما قاله عن الرسول عليه الصلاة و السلام و عن القرآن لم اتقبله و اريد منكم ان تعاونوني .
... All I’m telling you is that, as well as judaism, christianism or even greek mythology, i know largely enough of it, to know how irrelevant it is, and how its only obviously human legends, that came up so naturally, all over the planet, and all along history from men minds searching explanations to all what they ignored.
يتكلم كثيرا ولا اريد ان اسكت حقيقة كي لا يظن اني اقتنعت بكلامه الفارغ او ان ليس لدي اجابة له فأريد العون منكم بعد الله لأن لديكم الخبره ولديكم المعرفه الكافيه ان شاء الله
Donkey at barn “ ? I could easily return the compliment to you. Most of beleivers especially in enslaving religions like the three monotheisms appear to me like some cattle, just feed with soothing words of “eternal life”, “paradise”, etc .. which is kind of hay and oat to them, so that they can go on walking where power men want them to. And to go on on this parallel, alike these donkeys and horses that are leaded just where someone want them to go, beleivers are equipped with “blinders” so that they don’t know nothing of what really goes on around (and that precisely for the efficiency of those blinders, that religions are always denying the results of science).
اسلوبه دائما من النوع الاستفزازي وتكلم عن حياته فقلت له حيتك ليست الا كـ Donkey at barn وحججك ليست الا piffles
كنت دائما احاول ان احترمه لكن شخص مثله ابدا لا يستحق الاحترام
هو شخص مشوش لم يفهم الاسلام و يظن ان الدين الاسلامي مطابق للمسيحيه و اليهديه و غيرها من الاديان .
Yes I’m the totally opposite of you on this : I’m not looking for something to beleive in it, I’m only looking for knwoledge. It doesnt mean that I’m not interested in some speculations on the going of universe and things like that. But in my mind, it will always be separate, and I’ll never do what you do : Considering a pure hypothesis as a truth. For me its the exact contrary, it makes my life most valuable than yours, in the sense that it makes me live standing up, with eyes open for any knew knowledge coming. While you’re living kneeling, with eyes shut to anything else than the legends you choosed to definitively consider as irremovable truth
اخبرته ان الدين الاسلامي لم يجبر احدا على اعتناقه وذكرت له الايات " لا اكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي ",, " من شاء فليؤمن و من شاء فليكفر "
انتبهوا معي هنا رجاء لم افهم ما يقصده
I have no specific knowledge on suicide wether you have a religion or not. And it would not be suprising there could be less suicide among beleivers since their religion makes it a sin, that would deprive them of this so waited paradise (like in sourate 56 “AL-WAQI'A”) with virgins girls and good things to eat, and get them thrown in boiling water instead ! lol. How fear of death must be strong to make people beleive in such piffles ! I really pity people living in such a vision, with such an irrationnal fear. There is no fear of death to have, death is very likely the same state when you’re not born yet. You don’t exist no more that’s all
شخص يتكلم رؤوس اقلام في مواضيع مختلفه و متشعبه
انتبهوا معي هنا ماذا يقول عن زواج المصطفى عليه الصلاة و السلام من السيده عائشه رضي الله عنها
You know as well as I do, that no girl of six is making a free choice of a husband (and even less one of fifty years old ! ) when she should be just playing with her dolls, and just start to learn from her mother what life can be. That’s why I dont need to have Aisha coming in my dreams, to know she certainly was not free to have Muhammad as a husband, and even less free to be fucked at nine (poor innocent little girl), by an old man of 53 ! And of course it’s unfair to her, whatever the times ! Just imagine you at nine, and at any time of history that you want, not knowing anything about sex, with your little unpubescent body so tiny and tight, and of course unprepared to the assaults of a man. And then to be taken and penetrated all the same, by an old man who’s body isn’t even fresh or even pleasant at contact ! How do you think it would make you feel ? I mean physically on the moment, and for the rest of your life, in your mind ! Just face it, and think of it, mind open if possible ?
And all you find to say on this is : it was the way on these times, and nobody could find anything to tell about it. So I just tell you : ok, these times where really harsh and rude and cruel (and don’t think I dont know, many places are letting people acting in the same way now) but then, a man that take it all the way, in this fashion of these times, not seeing the unfairness or cruelty of it all, can certainly not be seen as an holly man, send by a loving God. It simply have no sense. That’s all.
لا اعرف حقيقة ماذا ارد عليه ولا اريد ان اسكت عن ما قاله..
طلبي مني ان اذكر له اية الحجاب و هل هناك نص شرعي يجب على المرأ ان تغطي جسدها ام هم رجال الدين اخترعوا ذلك
انظروا الى تحليله المضحك ربنا لا تزغ قلوبنا بعد اذا هديتنا و ثبت اقدامنا و انصرنا على القوم الكافرين.
On the hidding of women bodies, I read your quote of Quran and it leads me to several observations.
- First : I dont see any strict command to hide all of the body : But its obviously a matter of interpretation, and no surprise that your men of power should choose to see it as the minimum of liberty for women bodies.
- Second : I see a strange permission to see the body of woman by a man who’s from close or far, part of the family. Very odd for me. I never saw the reasons why my father should be allowed to see my wife naked ? It’s not the first time either that I heard statements saying that all kind of incests was quite common in muslim countries, and now I understand why, better.
- Third : This chapter (said to be “holly words”) state quietly that slaves or emasculated servants, can see your body ! And that directly open to one of my strong argument against the reality of this so called “god inspired words”, and of course on the reality of this god himself.
عاد هنا وتكلم مره اخرى عن زواج المصطفى محمد عليه افضل الصلاة و اتم التسليم من السيده عائشه رضي الله عنها
The slavery, that means possessing a human being (taken as civilian prisoner like Muhammad did in his battles for example) like you could possess animals as well, and make him work for you just like you do for animals, that is pure evil ! What ever the times ! As well as giving a little girl of nine (in plain childhood) to an old man, for him to force her little unpubescent body, hurting her physically as well as destroying in her little mind, what can be the sweetness of an accepted and wanted love, that is pure evil as well !
How can anybody see a god for all men, subscribing to such evil and unfairness (I just named two but there are others). What sense can anyone with a logical mind, see in a god, who’s laws should state on how to deal with your slaves ? A god for all humanity won’t surely just accept the fact of some of them possessing the others, just in reason (most of the time) of having been captured by force of weapons, or worse to have been born child of a slave already.
اترك لكم الرد عليه و على حججه الواهيه الذي يرى بأنها منطقيه.
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